“hold off, Is This a Date?” Podcast Episode 209: Bottoming with Chingy | Autostraddle

Let’s make some sound for all the soles at home! (It really is me personally, the bottom in the house.) Bottom customs is actually rather anything™ on the web lately! But what can it truly suggest getting a bottom? Exactly why has got the culture chose bottoming is actually just getting scared to inquire about for what you prefer? And exactly how really does you begin determining should they like bottoming?!

With all of these concerns rattling around the thoughts, requiring solutions, Drew and that I realized there is only 1 person we’re able to choose for a rounded, enthusiastic conversation about bottoming: The Gay Chingy AKA Chingy Nea, AKA the base Supreme. Chingy is among the greatest men and women I know writing and tweeting now, so that as a bottom myself personally, I am honored to call her my personal chief. Chingy allows us to tease aside exactly what it way to be a bottom, precisely why she hates “smol bean” bottom tradition, your body as opening, and your human anatomy as

whole

. It is a very breathtaking dialogue, easily do say-so my self! Please understand that i know that we say “gorgeous” around three thousand times this occurrence, and I am pursuing help for my problem. (the situation is actually talking like 57 yr old white gay man.)

And! This week’s online game requires myself guessing if complex plots Drew describes belong to a film or an aspiration she had circa 2006. It is hard!


SHOW NOTES

+ Read Chingy’s
Bottom Manifesto
, follow her
on Twitter
and
IG
!

+here’s a listing of the films that Drew found in her video game:


  • The Seventh Seal

    (1937)

  • Bringing-up Kid

    (1938)


  • Pierrot le Fou


    (1965)

  • Ebony Swan

    (2010)

+Watch Anna where is athena faris from perform some most useful work of her job in

Smiley Face!


+Let

Shohreh Aghdashloo talk you to sleep while outfitted as Chrisjen


Avasarala


from

The Expanse

since you are entitled to that.


+Cindy Wilson associated with B52s is quite hot and honestly? “Love Shack” still whips!


+
Robert Mitchum
, stone cold fox.



EPISODE


Chingy

: I’ve merely been bottoming since I have was actually, I am not sure, dating back i could recall.


Drew

: Cue Rags to Riches from

Goodfellas.


Chingy

: dating back to I am able to remember, i wished to end up being a bottom, no, but sorts of

[intro performs]


Drew

: Hi, I Am Drew.


Christina

: I Am Christina.


Drew

: Introducing

Hold off, So Is This a night out together

?


Christina

:

Wait, Is It a romantic date?

is an Autostraddle podcast specialized in usually the one, the only the most significant question of one’s occasions: hold off, Is This a night out together?


Drew

: And, wow, I really merely froze up truth be told there.


Christina

: I was like, oh shit, I found myself meant to state something! [laughs]


Drew

: i am actually fast to your banter, my personal brain just… The reality is that I found myself reading over my personal game records, which we’re not at however because we still have to introduce our selves. Thus, i will make an effort to remain concentrated on one task at a time.


Christina

: Focus upwards!


Drew

: i’m Drew Gregory, i’m an author for Autostraddle, and a filmmaker, and a trans woman.


Christina

: Hi, i’m called Christina Tucker, forgot my personal last name for a hot minute, no big issue. I will be additionally an author at Autostraddle along with other places on the web, a podcaster, a gay black woman. That is kind of it, dog, that is myself.


Drew

: I adore it. Okay, today we-


Christina

: Now the video game.


Drew

: Can we have fun with the video game?


Christina

: are we able to get right to the video game? I’m able to let you know’re thrilled, I will tell you’re simply shaking.


Drew

: Thus, I’ve been maintaining an aspiration log since 2007, as well as the assumption of your online game is actually-


Christina

: I did not know this about yourself!


Drew

: Yes, it’s not as informed now, we always write-down all my personal desires and then its only if one thing truly sticks. But, the assumption of this video game is, am we describing the plot of a dream I got as I was a teenager, or am we explaining the storyline of a film that I cherished as I ended up being an adolescent?


Christina

: Oh guy, ok.


Drew

: So, ways it will get is I’ll always describe it as a dream and in the most important person. Very, if it ended up being

Celebrity Wars,

I’d resemble, i am in space and I also’m battling as part of a rebellion, there’s an evil  man who’s dressed in a black robot suit plus it ends up he’s my dad. Which is the way I’ll explain it, the way we explain hopes and dreams, but often it should be an aspiration, sometimes it’ll end up being from a film. Ready?


Christina

: i am something, I don’t know that I’m ready, but why don’t we rock. Let’s see just what I can do here.


Drew

: Okay, i am on a beach and I also see this unusual man dressed in black. He tells me he’s dying and we also can enjoy a casino game to determine if I reside or if the guy requires me personally. I manage to avoid, but everywhere I-go, men and women are sick and that I feel Death remains soon after me.The just pleased component is when I meet a theater troupe and they’re a lot of fun.


Christina

: This,i do believe, is an aspiration.


Drew

: This would be Ingmar Bergman’s

The Seventh Seal

from 1957.


Christina

: this might be going to be a real gotcha on CT’s classic movie understanding, because the thing I realize Drew, within puberty, had not been carrying out was enjoying films that i will accept. At this stage, i am style of wishing that I’ve seen none of them. I believe which will be more fun for my situation.


Drew

: the 2nd one, i am meeting with my family and a few Italian American gangsters. One of many gangsters needs that I give more than some cash, but my children and I also was able to get away. We escape through all this cold landscapes, on the road I meet an actress and relate with this lady. We land in a suburb. I do believe we’re going to start a new existence together until she takes us to a large residence, and I also recognize it belongs to the gangster. It absolutely was all a trap, the gangster shows up and there’s a confrontation. We kill him, the fantasy stops together with the celebrity performing a musical quantity.


Christina

: Is this a film?


Drew

: this could be a dream I got in 2008.


Christina

: Okay, wow. Boy, yeah, i suppose i need to just remember that , its 2000, its old-school Drew head. That is what i must remember.


Drew

: additionally like, just what films was I seeing during the time and how much performed that effect my desires?


Christina

: Well, yeah, obviously quite a lot!


Drew

: A fun fact is that I was actually, I didn’t feature this because I was thinking this might provide it with away, however the gangster had been Tony Soprano because I happened to be enjoying

The Sopranos

in 2008. So, that’s a fun small fact. Okay, next one, We have an important assignment, but this hot girl comes up and begins annoying myself. I do want to be with her, but I additionally really need to get might work completed, therefore I inform the girl to leave. She keeps following myself. Out of the blue, a leopard looks in my space and I need to spend the remainder of the fantasy attempting to capture the leopard. I’m however actually anxious, We never finish could work, but at least the girl is hot.


Christina

: it’s as a dream of yours, it’s to-be a Drew fantasy.


Drew

: This Is Exactly Howard Hawks’

Discussing Kid

from 1938.


Christina

: No, but that’s a dream you have, that’s the a lot of Drew fantasy I’ve have you ever heard. Today at this time, I’m just going to be spinning film record, to accommodate my whims.


Drew

: Great, Everyone loves that. Okay, i am at a party and I also you should not love anyone there. At long last, we see this girl, we once had a crush on therefore we decide to keep with each other. We go to her home, but they are chased off from this number of guys who are attempting to eliminate the girl. We end up on a beach plus it appears like we will be okay before guys discover united states. She eventually ends up getting into this additional guy, and so I simply take cartoonish dynamite and decide to strike my self up


Christina

: Movie.


Drew

: this is certainly! This is exactly Jean Luc Goddard’s

Pierrot le Fou

, from 1965.


Christina

: haven’t observed, but that sounds like a ding dang flick if you ask me.


Drew

: Great, I favor it. There’s a narration describing an odd boat like design that’s impractical to destroy. I am going on a retreat close to the structure, the refuge is sort of theater related, sort of religious. You will find a crush on this lady during the retreat, but she’s got a boyfriend. Amid the activities and traditions, there are plenty of crisis between myself and that woman and her sweetheart, it ends up beside me by yourself. There have been a sequence revealing your vessel construction is actually impossible to wreck because a mechanical supply fixes it into the night.


Christina

: that may be anything in many ways, i will say movie again, you will want to?


Drew

: truly an aspiration from 2011, that performed have narration from someone else, you realize, it occurs!


Christina

: this is actually good promo having a dream record, because I feel adore it might be fun basically could keep in mind my personal goals in this manner.


Drew

: no body likes when you explain your aspirations in their eyes. I do however, and I also’m your buddy, when you need to jot down your own fantasies and tell me, i might want to learn about them.


Christina

: Okay, that is really nice to listen to.


Drew

: We have two more.


Christina

: Okay.


Drew

: I’m in a beautiful yard with a small grouping of buddies, we-all seem to be getting out of bed from becoming drugged. We are forced to shower in an acid that empties pigment and we also become golden-haired and blue-eyed. People responsible start training you to eliminate, it turns out this one will be operate by a crazy dictator, I reject obtaining entirely brainwashed. Absolutely this lady here You will find a crush on and I also persuade her to escape with me, while escaping I get recorded and slain, nevertheless the lady gets out. When she makes the jail, she realizes we are in the center of a forest so there’s no place going.


Christina

: Film.


Drew

: that will be the most important dream in my dream diary from, I stated, “2007.” That it is 2006.


Christina

: Wow.


Drew

: i usually believed it absolutely was interesting that I perish during the dream, however the other person goes on on. However now, there is some odd gender things going on there, and I also’m going to need certainly to think about that certain for a while.


Christina

: surely accomplish that.


Drew

: Okay, You will find yet another.


Christina

: Okay.


Drew

: i am because of the chance to be a dancer, my personal mother claims I won’t be able to do it. There is this different woman inside the program just who I think is hot, but i am nervous she’s going to change me personally. I am battling in rehearsal, but end upwards making utilizing the lady, we hook-up. This really is hot, but I feel myself shedding control, we get back to the party tv show. My body appears to be morphing into something else, i am worried that i’ll mess up.


Christina

: that is a motion picture.


Drew

: Very,

Black Swan

.


Christina

: Yes, which

Ebony Swan

, undoubtedly.


Drew

: Have you viewed

Ebony Swan

? Which was one I was thinking you’ve observed.


Christina

: I have seen

Black Swan

, I… Fun reality, we proceeded a night out together with a person observe

Black Swan

.


Drew

: Wow.


Christina

: only straight circumstances used to do.


Drew

: What was that like?


Christina

: Weird, it had been unusual.


Drew

: Did you such as the motion picture? Did he like film?


Christina

: I think, I experienced currently observed it, i believe I found myself like, “Let’s get see it once more.” In my opinion, I was extremely pro

Dark Swan,

as well as for directly heterosexual explanations, definitely.


Drew

: Sure, okay.


Christina

: And, he was like, “that has been strange.” And that I had been love, “Oh well, we’re not going to still go out.”


Drew

: Wow, really I wish him the greatest, i am hoping he is someplace succeeding. Thank you so much for playing this game beside me.


Christina

: Wow, i am therefore happy we moved two for but a lot of we performed thereon.


Drew

: perhaps not terrible.


Christina

: maybe not terrible.


Drew

: You Probably Did better than Elise performed whenever I planned to find out if this is an operating video game that could work, and she was my guinea-pig. Thus, she only had gotten one correct.


Christina

: reasonable adequate.


Drew

: Should we move on to all of our major topic from the week?


Christina

: Let’s enter it, let us understand this special visitor in.


Drew

: Well, i wish to very first point out that all of our major subject from the few days is actually bottoming, therefore we could have only one extremely unique guest.


Christina

: It is only 1 person.


Drew

: is it possible to please present yourself?


Chingy

: Hi, i am Chingy Nea, otherwise known as The Gay Chingy. I am a Writer, Filmmaker, and gasian fabric dyke muppet. I will be in addition America’s top base.


Christina

: Yes, In my opinion whenever we happened to be speaking about topics and now we’re like, “we can easily discuss bottoming and there’s actually only one person we can easily have from the pod to accomplish this, absolutely one individual who is quite practically the Supreme.”


Chingy

: thank-you for identifying, it feels very good having the wonder recognized, thank-you


Christina

: Yes, therefore’ve accomplished fantastic work, and here we are knowing it.


Drew

: i wish to know once you feel like you turned into The united states’s best base. When was that a word and a label and an identity which you truly presented onto?


Chingy

: Well, therefore I usually merely say, “I’m the base Supreme.” Because, exactly who cares about The usa?


Drew

: Sure.


Christina

: Fair sufficient.


Chingy

: Yeah, i do believe that i really was great at bottoming, but in 2017 or something like that, I went to a play party that was only for fem leading sadists defeating me right up for six to seven several hours directly, and it also was only myself, and that I had been like, “Oh, I’m ideal that is ever before already been.” After which, i do believe from there, I just held increasing being, wow, I’m very fun to watch. Wow, i am very interesting as a bottom, this will be wow, every person exactly who extends to finest myself can be so happy. And, it moved from there, i do believe, then I penned an article called I’m A Much Better Bottom versus You. Listed Here Is Why. It was style of a manifesto, it was a bottom manifesto.


Christina

: Yes, can confirm.


Chingy

: And, people have actually informed me, “It really is changed how they evaluate sex.” And, i prefer that a lot. Oahu is the one article on my web site that i have created indeed there. I have composed at

Vice

,

Teenage Style

,

Vulture

—

Autostraddle

ended up being the initial location we wrote, actually. But yeah, this is the one blog site back at my web site, should you want to take a look.


Christina

: Everyone loves a powerful brand, I favor knowing a brand name, and I think’s actually attractive, just, brand handling of your personal bottomy your self. I believe, which is truly gorgeous to see.


Chingy

: thanks, i acquired my personal very first authorship opportunity at

Autostraddle

because I found myself writing about getting a bottom, being poly, and being really strong into becoming a fabric dyke. And because then, i have started to share a bunch of other activities, but becoming bottom part great only particular is the one through distinct it all.


Christina

: Yes.


Drew

: I additionally feel you are a really productive base and also in how that you discuss, and speak about, and that I presume knowledge bottoming you are extremely active. Whereas, I think there’s a lot of the queer society, possibly, particularly the lesbian community, that perhaps thinks about bottoming as… I don’t know-


Chingy:

Passivity

.


Christina

: Mm-hmm

(Affirmative)

.


Drew

: Yeah.


Chingy

: Yeah, I often claim that there is a lot less soles than individuals believe tend to be bottoms. I think absolutely a big difference between getting a bottom and merely unsure or seeking what you would like. I believe those are a couple of totally different things that people conflate.


Christina

: i might need certainly to agree, I also believe the way in which you talk about bottoming is actually, I mean, why don’t we merely say it, so much significantly less disturbing versus method a lot of people mention becoming a bottom or recognize with bottom part culture. Because, i actually do think that what many are saying explicitly or non explicitly is simply, Im idle plus don’t proper care doing any sort of activity, activity, et-cetera, i’d like things done to me. And, basically need look for that in in whatever way, that hurts my personal feelings. And, you happen to be brilliant so strong at being, these are the issues that I want, bring these to myself and that I will rock your globe. This is certainly attractive to me.


Chingy

: thanks, What i’m saying is, that’s what you have to do becoming proficient at just some thing, you have to place your self out there and attempt and come up with blunders acquire damage a little bit, and, I don’t know, study from it.


Christina

: i believe that’s a beneficial information, frankly.


Chingy

: I just been bottoming since I ended up being, I don’t know, dating back i will keep in mind. [laughs]


Drew

: Cue “Rags to Riches” from

Goodfellas

.


Chingy

: Yeah, dating back I am able to keep in mind, i usually planned to be a bottom. No, but particular, once I had been 13 or 14, I became already viewing SADO MASO websites and lesbian BDSM sites. Very, I becamen’t under any delusions with what I became in regards to, I happened to be having women we dated in senior high school choke myself out, I knew everything I wanted. So, that standard of consciousness has just given myself quite a while to know what Needs and figure out how to have it.


Christina

: Beautiful, received, give me how you feel on bottoming.


Drew

: Well, I’m actually really thrilled to generally share this because I feel like in 2019 {when I|as I|while